Showing posts with label weapons. Show all posts
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Tuesday, June 10, 2014

Call Sign "Joker" ~ Vegas Shooting Inspired by Alex Jones and #BundyRanch

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Previous Related Posts:
False Flag Nation - Everything is a False Flag
Gun Nut Alex Jones Goes Bonkers on Piers Morgan
Bundy Ranch Stand-Off Attracks Militias and Wingnuts
Bundy Ranch Supporters have Sniper Denial
Wingnuts Declare Victory as Feds Leave Bundy Ranch

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On Sunday June 8th, 2014, two Las Vegas Metro policemen eating lunch at CiCi's Pizza and a bystander at Walmart were killed by a married couple, Amanda and Jerad Miller.

From NBC News
. . . the couple barged into CiCi's Pizza a few miles away, yelled “This is the start of a revolution!” and started firing, witnesses told police.

The officers, Alyn Beck, 42, and Igor Soldo, 32, were inside having lunch, and both were mortally wounded, Sheriff Doug Gillespie said.

Authorities said the suspects stripped the dead officers of their weapons and ammunition.

They covered one with a swastika and the Revolutionary War-era Gadsden flag, which depicts a coiled snake and the words “Don’t Tread On Me.” On the other officer was a note that said, "The revolution is beginning."

The Gadsden Revolutionary War Flag
Now Used by the Tea Party Against the Government
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The shooters then headed to a Walmart, where Jerad Miller yelled, "Everyone get out!"

“They just said, ‘The revolution’s begun,’ they said that they shot some officers, and basically get out of the store if you don’t want to get hurt,” said Tyrone Ellis, who works at the store.

A shopper, Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, of Las Vegas had a concealed weapon and decided to confront Jerad Miller, police said. As he walked toward the suspect, Amanda Miller came up behind him and shot him several times in the ribs, police said.

Why did they do it? Apparently they believed they believed every piece of anti-government propaganda spewed by Fox News, Alex Jones, and politicians like Rand/Ron Paul and Allen West. The Facebook page of the male shooter, Jarad Miller of Indiana, is full of your typical Tea Party anti-Obama stuff, which is perhaps what is most chilling about it - the familiarity. We see the same ideas over and over on message boards and Twitter, and no one takes it seriously, even the police. Well, hopefully this is a wake-up call.

According to Miller's Facebook, they were waiting for a "Revolution," and thought Bundy Ranch was the beginning. And while the couple went there and participated, they were eventually asked to leave. Miller got excited about Operation American Spring but that was a huge flop when no one showed up. Eventually, fueled by disgust at the government in general and angry at police who had arrested Jared for marijuana, the Millers decided they would be the ones to fire the first shots.

And even though this murder was committed by an obvious Libertarian Tea Party true believer, the intrepid Alex Jones immediately called it a "False Flag." I guess Obama must have really used some triple reverse psychology on Jerad and Amanda Miller to get them to do what Alex Jones is always saying the right wing should do - go and kill somebody for the cause of Liberty!








From Raw Story:
A May 28, 2012, post on Jones’ InfoWars site appears to have been made by Jerad Miller, who expressed frustration with his arrest on drug charges and vowed he would rather die than be labeled a criminal.
“I am like a wild coyote,” he wrote, using the user name “Jerad” and a Gadsden flag as his avatar. “You corner me, I will fight to the death.”
He goes on to say he’s “broken hearted” to see other Americans placated by materialism and celebrity worship as they submitted to tyranny.
“So, do I kill cops and make a stand when they come to get me?” the post continues. “I would prefer to die than sit in their jail, when I have done nothing to hurt anyone.”


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Bundy Ranch:
 

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Interview with KRNV-TV via Hatewatch

I feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that. I really don’t want violence towards them, but if they’re gonna come bring violence to us, well, if that’s the language they want to speak, we’ll learn it.
~ Jerad Miller at Bundy Ranch





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Harry Reid: 
Bundy Ranch Folks are Domestic Terrorists



Jerad Miller Posted These On Facebook:

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Al-Jazeera News interviewed Jerad Miller:











Here is Jerad Miller with Richard Mack, the guy who said on camera that they should use women and children as human shields against the Bureau of Land Management at Bundy Ranch!

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Why did the Millers leave Bundy Ranch?

AP story via Think Progress:
Cliven Bundy’s son told the Associated Press that “Jerad and Amanda Miller were asked to leave his father’s ranch after being there for a few days this spring,” claiming that they were “very radical.” “Not very many people were asked to leave,” he said. “I think they may have been the only ones.”






















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Sunday, June 1, 2014

#OpenCarry Storms the Home Depot

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In the past few weeks the gun nuts have been parading around intimidating families at fast food restaurants thanks to the group Open Carry. This led to a pushback campaign from Shannon Watts and the gun control advocacy group Moms Demand Action which lobbied restaurants with hashtags #ShakesNotShotguns, #RibsNotRifles and #GrillsNotGuns. The corporations responded quickly by banning guns in the restaurants - common sense prevailed.


Even the freakin' NRA issued a statement against Open Carry Texas:

Via Talking Points Memo
"[W]hile unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms," the statement said. "Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates."

The NRA made clear it "does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. " But it concluded that "when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights."

But rare common sense from NRA didn't stop Open Carry, whose members stormed a Home Depot in Dallas this weekend.



And a new hashtag was born on Twitter - #Ammosexuals - men who get off on guns and ammo and can't live without them - like the guys in the pictures below. The term was coined by Raw Story:
Never mind the bullets, here’s the ammosexuals
...It’s getting so that a man can’t assert his manly manliness without a bunch of shrieking harpies hashtag-shaming him on Twitter, which is can be very hurtful.
. . . Some men, however, are not going to sit weeping in a darkened room, drinking ranch dressing straight from the bottle while listening to ‘I Am, I Said‘ on repeat. They’re not going to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous LOLing at them without going down in a fight.
And by ‘fight,’ I mean, parading around with their guns hanging out.
And by ‘guns,’ I mean their guns.
So that is why we have ‘open carry’ days where groups of men trade in their week-day uniform of polyester pants and 3 for $12 dress shirts with matching ties from Walmart, for easy-fit jeans, a t-shirt that used to fit, and a backward-facing ball-cap before heading out a to fast food place to walk around carrying a gun in the noonday sun because …. freedom.







From the Dallas News
Saturday’s rally began in the parking lot of a Home Depot. Corporate spokesman Stephen Holmes said that while Home Depot allows customers to carry legally permitted weapons into its stores, “we do not allow solicitation or organizing by third parties on our property.”
The Open Carry supporters were not asked to move on Saturday. But should they return for another rally, Holmes said, “we’ll remind them of that policy.”

. . . The gathering Saturday generated dozens of critical comments on Home Depot’s Facebook site.
In one typical post, a woman from Dallas wrote, “Since we can’t know when this fanatical anti-woman, death-celebrating-culture group will snap, we’ll be going to Lowe’s from now on.”

Amy Hedtke of Whitesboro wasn’t worried about anyone snapping. She brought four children and two dogs to the rally.
“I’m anti-gun-free zone,” she said. “I’m a huge supporter of the right to self-defense.”
She joined group members at the intersection of Precinct Line Road and Mid-Cities Boulevard. There they waved flags that said “Come And Take It” and passed out Open Carry cards. Many drivers responded with horn-honking support.
Afterward, the group returned to the Home Depot lot, where a raffle was held. Among the prizes: T-shirts and boxes of ammunition.



Here are just a few of the thousands of angry comments left on this Home Depot's Facebook:

I gave Home Depot 20 years of business. Lowes will now get the next 20 years of my business considering the idiotic policy HD has allowed an armed group of socially deficient angry people to roam your aisles. What will you do when one of them sticks a product in his pocket and walks? Think any of your "security " people will do anything? Beyond stupid is this decision by whoever thought it would make people happy.
~ Don S.

I won't shop anywhere that terrorists are allowed, that's stupid. These people are bullying the majority who want better gun laws, and they're bullying with weapons. That's terrorism. They won't win. Don't be on the wrong side of history. We won't forget.
~ Sandy T.

If the open carry event, which now includes a GUN GIVEAWAY, happens. I will never again shop at Home Depot. There are plenty of options out there. Lowes, Ace, Orchard. Anything but supporting a company that bends to the will of a small minority of extremists that value their killing machines over the lives of human beings.
~ Brian C.

I own a ranch. We'll take our business elsewhere.
If you want to make Home Depot look like a banana republic, that's your business.
But I don't want to shop where I can't tell the difference between someone on his Open Carry day and someone else who is going postal.
~ Lloyd S.

I live in Texas...and for most of my life have lived in the DFW area where this store is located. The MAJORITY of Texans (including the ones in the DFW area) do NOT approve of open carry events..we only approve of being allowed to own guns. As other places in Texas have discovered (Starbucks, Chipotle's, Sonic, etc) most Texans do NOT approve and we vote with out wallets. BTW, most of these open carry nuts are not gardening and buying lots of items from Home Depot in the first place. As to your comment that this is tantamount to them watching someone get punched, not actually doing the punching, I think that watching and not stopping it is JUST as bad as doing it!!!!
~ Lisa M.

How dare Home Depot allow a group of crazed ammosexual gunners be allowed to rally at one of your stores. Time to find a new place to shop until your policy changes!!!
~ Lonnie L.

hey, be brave, open carry guys. Try it at a bank. A country club where GOP officials hang out. How about NRA headquarters? They won't let you open carry there, and we all know why. They don't trust you. Gun show? The organizers do not trust you enough to bring in your loaded gun. I believe them. It's not safe and you do, as the woman in the Texas sonic pointed out, look like total dumbasses. And scaredy-cats. I'll shop where the non-afraid shop.
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Monday, May 27, 2013

GOP Truthers ~ Obama Has a Tornado Machine


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I don't know if this was a weather weapon or not, but they can with the right weather conditions, they can create and steer groups of tornadoes. People 50 miles out of storm systems see aircraft in and around the clouds spraying and doing things, if you saw that, you better bet your bottom dollar they did this. But who knows if they did, that's the thing.
~ Wingnut Radio Host Alex Jones on "Weather Weapons"



False tornado flag operation.
Cause that is the first thing the government would do with a weather weapon.
~ One Who Wanders on Wonkette

Windghazi!!!
~ Noodlesalad on Wonkette

Why does the government hate mobile homes? Why? Why? Why?
~ PurgedVoter on Wonkette

Oh my good cigar-smoking, parachute-jumping, suspender-wearing, tap-dancing Jesus, no .
This story cannot be real.
~ Bosda on AtlanticWire

WE'RE NUMBER DUMB !
WE'RE NUMBER DUMB !
WE'RE NUMBER DUMB !
~ wonderYrednow on Huff Post

Just as this caller, who’s obviously suffering from severe paranoid delusions, ended her rant, Jones launched into a paranoid rant of his own which included, as it always does, a random string of official names of organizations potentially involved. Bill Gates Weather Modification, Geo-Engineering, AP, Reuters, Department of Energy. (Other frequently blurted names include IBM, Raytheon, Bechtel, FEMA and The Illuminati.)
Then, totally unrelated to the tornado, he tossed in a bit about the U.S. Code relating to biological and chemical warfare, and the apparent ability of the government to kill us with chemicals agents under the guise of experiments and law enforcement. In fact, he named a U.S. Code title by number, chapter number, subsection number — all the way down to the paragraph letter. Because it sounds official and therefore authentic.
Word salad. You’d expect to hear this from a guy wearing a tunic made of plastic bags and used diapers while shouting at invisible enemies on the street corner. But it’s just the kind of gibberish, delivered with the slick fluidity of a televangelist, that paranoid schizophrenics eat for breakfast. Millions of them nationwide.
~ Bob Cesca on The Daily Banter

Who knows? Who knows if the US. Government uses a secret made-up weather weapon that only exists in the mind of -- yeah, that's the thing, right? Here's the other thing. Alex Jones should be disqualified from participating in Republican party politics. His crackpot theories shouldn't prompt hearings in Congress and inspire actual legislation in Congress, shouldn't do a money bomb on his show running for Congress. Do not fundraise on the theater of the absurd by showing yourself to be one with this guy, really. He says the tornado was a conspiracy, the tornado. Can we agree it is over now, Republicans, going on his show, really, can we agree, please?
~ Rachel Maddow of MSNBC, via Crooks and Liars











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Friday, January 11, 2013

NRA Against the World

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Let me be clear. Freedom is not a handgun on the hip of every teacher, and security should not mean a guard posted outside every classroom. That is not who we are in Connecticut, and it is not who we will allow ourselves to become.
~ Governor Dannel Malloy of Connecticut

I know that the issue of gun control is hard. I know it's political. I know it's controversial. ... I say to you: Forget the extremists. It's simple, no one hunts with an assault rifle. No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer and too many innocent people have died already. End the madness, now!
~ NY Governor Andrew Cuomo in his State of the State Address

(The NRA) lost seven out of eight Senate races where they put more than $100,000 dollars in. They got clobbered in the Presidential race. Their campaign slogan was "All In." They were going "All In" because they were telling people that President Obama literally was going to destroy all freedom in America. Well, no one responded to that message. No one cared. So if on one hand they want to claim that they single-handedly supposedly won the 1994 and 2000 election, well, you gotta own up to getting shellacked in this one.
~ Ladd Everitt, Director of Communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show

I think they're being disingenuous. I think that they see this as an opportunity to go after the Second Amendment, which they've wanted to do for years, if not decades, and I think they're going to do everything they can to strip Americans of their right to keep and bear arms.
~ NRA President David Keene, the day before a meeting with Vice President Joe Biden

There will come a time when the gun owners of America, the law-abiding gun owners of America, will be the Rosa Parks and we will sit down on the front seat of the bus, case closed
. . . If you were attempting to write an offensive script to a new ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie, I couldn’t come up with a dumber and [more] unbelievable insanity than our government and our media is perpetrating on the American public,
~ Rocker Gun Nut Ted Nugent on World Net Daily


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Gun Groups Meet With Joe Biden

There’s a real, very tight window to do this. I committed to him I’d have these recommendations to (Obama) by Tuesday, and it doesn’t mean it’s the end of the discussion, but the public wants us to act.
. . . There is nothing that has pricked the consciousness of the American people, there is nothing that has gone to the heart of the matter more than the visual image people have of little 6-year-old kids riddled — not shot with a stray bullet — riddled, riddled with bullet holes in their classroom. And the public demands we speak to it.
~ Vice President Joe Biden at Meeting with Gun Groups on January 10, 2013



Breaking News: School Shooting in Taft, California During NRA Meeting:







Taft Union High School in Taft, Calif., normally has an armed guard on campus to help officials with problems that go "beyond the scope" of the administration.
But on Thursday morning, as a student showed up with a shotgun and fired two to four shots at a teacher and a classmate, the officer was nowhere to be found.
"He couldn't get there because he was snowed in," Sheriff Donny Youngblood of the Kern County Sheriff’s Department said in a press conference Thursday afternoon.
~ Sam Stein reporting for Huffington Post

The difference between this shooting and the shooting at Newtown and the shooting at the theater in Aurora and many of the other mass shootings is the difference between a shotgun and an assault weapon.
~ comment by Martha R. on Huff Post

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After the Meeting, the NRA Released this statement:
Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.
We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not.

NRA vows to fight everything on Biden's gun agenda
. . . The NRA says it knows after the Newtown shooting, they're facing a gun control debate unlike any in its history. They may be more politically isolated than they were in 1994 when the assault weapons ban was first pushed tenaciously through Congress by then-Sen. Joe Biden.
~ CBS News



The Gun Lobby, the NRA, at least, in some ways is a victim of their own success. Their MO is to prevent anyone from even bringing up gun control legislation, to make it seem politically impossible to even broach the subject. And so they're not used to having to debate their side of the argument with powerful, motivated, organized proponents of the opposite view. In other words, they have been so successful in shutting down any possible debate over gun control in this country that they now seem legitimately surprised that there might be a debate in this country over gun control.
Their reaction today to their meeting with Vice President Joe Biden in Washington was that they said they were 'disappointed.' That was their word 'disappointed' that one of the subjects being discussed was reforming gun laws. Yeah, what did you think you were there to talk about?
~ Rachel Maddow on MSNBC

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Friday, December 21, 2012

NRA Wants Armed Guards in All Schools

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National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre at a press conference on the Newtown massacre, held Friday Dec. 21, 2012
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. . . As brave, heroic and self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms, and as prompt, professional and well-trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own — to stop it.

. . . You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security?

Will you at least admit it’s possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?

Is the press and political class here in Washington so consumed by fear and hatred of the NRA and America’s gun owners that you’re willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is a lone, unarmed school principal left to surrender her life to shield the children in her care? No one — regardless of personal political prejudice — has the right to impose that sacrifice.

. . . Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now. We did it for the nation’s defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we’ll do it for our schools today.

The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security to building design and access control to information technology to student and teacher training, this multi-faceted program will be developed by the very best experts in their fields.

Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires. His experience as a U.S. Attorney, Director of the Drug Enforcement Agency and Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security will give him the knowledge and expertise to hire the most knowledgeable and credentialed experts available anywhere, to get this program up and running from the first day forward.

If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trained — armed — good guy.

Under Asa’s leadership, our team of security experts will make this the best program in the world for protecting our children at school, and we will make that program available to every school in America free of charge.

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No one seriously believed the N.R.A. when it said it would contribute something “meaningful” to the discussion about gun violence. The organization’s very existence is predicated on the nation being torn in half over guns. Still, we were stunned by Mr. LaPierre’s mendacious, delusional, almost deranged rant.
~ New York Times Editorial

Their press conference was a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country. Instead of offering solutions to a problem they have helped create, they offered a paranoid, dystopian vision of a more dangerous and violent America where everyone is armed and no place is safe.
~ Mayor Bloomberg of NYC

Did the NRA just help "seal" the message that we really need to talk about this more than we ever did before? Because if their meaningful contribution is that all of us have a target on our back and all of us need to carry a gun, then we have big problems.
~ MSNBC Thomas Roberts to Michael Steele

I don’t even know where to begin. As a supporter of the Second Amendment and a supporter of the NRA (even though I'm not a member of the NRA), I just found it very haunting and very disturbing that we are country talking about arming our teachers and principals in classrooms. What does that say about us? I do not believe that’s where the American people want to go. I do not believe that is the response that should be coming out of the tragedy in Newtown.
I just think that this was a missed opportunity to create another conversation at a higher level where the American people are right now. This incident cut to the bone. This is unlike anything that’s come before it because it did involve such precious young people and it really starkly called us to think about our society, those issues, not just gun control laws but mental health and a whole bunch of other things I think the NRA could have brought to the table, the idea that the message, the top line message out of this press conference is let’s put a gun in the hands of teachers in our classroom and I do not think that’s where rank-and-file NRA members expected this to go to.
~ Ex-RNC Chairman Michael Steele on MSNBC













Their solution to resolve the issue around guns is to put more guns in the equation? If anything it would be less safe for kids. You would be putting them in the midst of potentially more gunfire.
~ Hank Grishman, Superintendent of Jericho, NY, schools

This is not an Old West shootout. We're talking about an elementary school.
~ Helen Gym, Philadelphia Community Activist

CodePink-AntiNRA

From Alternet
. . . the National Rifle Association today broke its silence with an extraordinary press event in which Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre blamed everybody and everything but the gun culture it has fostered for the deaths of 20 children and seven adults last week at the hands of Adam Lanza.
. . . Twice during his speech, LaPierre was interrupted by protesters from CODE PINK, each of whom stood at the front of the room, before the velvet-draped barrier, some four feet high, that appeared designed to protect the NRA speakers from the press. The podium was set back some 10 or 15 feet from the barrier, evoking the sense of paranoia that drives America's gun culture.
The first sign, held up by a male protester, was a pink banner that read: "NRA KILLING OUR KIDS." After unfurling it, he was escorted out of the room by security. About 10 minutes later, CODE PINK founder Medea Benjamin stepped with her own banner, which I could not read from my vantage point. Receiving the same treatment as the previous protester, Benjamin shouted: "Ban assault weapons now!"






Everyone was to blame. The media and their corporate owners. The political class in Washington. Video games. Violent movies. The mentally ill. But at no point did he point his finger back at the NRA, the one institution that has made it difficult, if not impossible, to bring about common-sense firearms legislation in the country.
~ Jonathan Capehart on Washington Post







. . . Columbine High School had a sheriff’s deputy assigned to the school who engaged the shooters almost immediately in 1999 and wasn’t able to stop the massacre. At Virginia Tech, there was an entire armed police force on campus that was unable to stop the worst school shooting in US history.
As we chronicled last week, there were sixteen mass shootings in the US this year alone—they occurred at shopping malls, spas, movie theatres, and coffee shops. Does LaPierre want armed guards there, and everywhere?
~ George Zornick on The Nation











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Tuesday, December 18, 2012

Cuckoo Time ~ More Guns in School (with Updates)

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A sixth grader in Utah told classmates yesterday his parents encouraged him to bring a gun to school in the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy. He was apprehended by teachers after he was found with an unloaded .22 caliber handgun, according to local station, Fox 13.
. . . at West Kearns Elementary School, in a suburb of Salt Lake City. He reportedly took the gun out of his backpack during recess Monday afternoon and showed it to classmates. Isabel Rios, a fellow student, told teachers he pointed the gun at her head and said he was going to kill her.
A spokesman for the school district told Fox 13 that although they were not notified immediately, teachers apprehended the student in “30 to 45 seconds” once they were alerted to the weapon. He was then taken to the principal’s office.
Local parents, however, aren’t satisfied with the school’s reaction. John Klaus, a father, complained, “There was no lockdown. No one was called. Nothing was done. And then we had to hear it from our kids.”
~ Reported by Mediaite

I wish to God she (the deceased Principal of Sandy Hook Elementary) had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids.
~ Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-TX

That some right-wing lawmakers and commentators have responded to Newtown by calling for teachers, principals and campus security guards to be armed is beyond obscene — and beneath contempt. More guns, with amateurs firing every which way, surely would have meant more dead children and more grieving families.
~ Eugene Robinson on Washington Post

Blood is on the hands of members of Congress and the Connecticut legislators who voted to ban guns from all schools in Connecticut. They are the ones who made it illegal to defend oneself with a gun in a school.
~ Statement from Gun Owners of America

Until the facts are thoroughly known, NRA will not have any comment.
~ Only Statement from the NRA so far, via spokesman Andrew Arulanandam
UPDATE: The NRA made a statement this afternoon:
The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time."

They (NRA) go into possum mode every time something like this happens. That’s the reason why we exist. They think that if they don't say anything that it will go away.
~ Mike Hammond, Legal Counsel for Gun Owners of America

Toys are regulated with greater care and safety concerns than guns.
~ Bill Moyers

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. . . You can't ban guns. That ship has sailed.
You can't ban them because the Supreme Court has now ruled, twice, that you can't. You also can't ban them because there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation in the United States--no one knows exactly how many, but we are either approaching, or well past, one gun per adult citizens. Other countries that banned guns started with a less absolutist attitude towards civil liberties, and also, a lot fewer guns.
. . . I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once. Would it work? Would people do it? I have no idea; all I can say is that both these things would be more effective than banning rifles with pistol grips.
~ Megan McArdle on Daily Beast

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THINK ABOUT IT: If everyone is armed at all times, then everyone can kill any mass murderer. Indeed, why not require all of us to carry two weapons, thus DOUBLING OUR ABILITY TO SHOOT DOWN A MASS MURDER? How can ProgressVA, Lowell or anyone else argue with the math?
Moreover, if you don't carry your weapon one day, and get killed; you are to blame, not the politicians, not the gun control laws, not the NRA, not a breakdown in morality or even the craziness of your killer. If you leave home without your two weapons, it is your fault if you get killed by anyone for any reason. That's the logic of the situation.
~ GoldmanUSA on Blue Virginia

This sacrosanct notion that we cannot do anything but have gun-free zones is just a fallacy. What we’re dealing with here is people who don’t care. They’ve erased their moral compass. They don’t care about the law, and they are intent on horrific acts.
~ Oklahoma Rep. Mark McCullough, R-Sapulpa

I could not be in more opposition to that idea. Schools are not a place where we should be arming combatants.... Our job as educators is to try to create an educational environment and try to teach students how to love one another and try to get along with one another so these kinds of tragedies that occurred in Connecticut never happen again. That’s our job. Our job’s not to try to kill an intruder.
~ Kevin Burr, Sapulpa, OK, School Administrator, referring to Rep. McCullough's idea

I don’t think the answer to our gun problem is add more guns into the equation. I don’t think he probably really understands how schools operate. Schools can be emotional places at times. Kids can get emotional. Teachers can get emotional. Parents come in emotional. Throw weapons into that mix, and it can be dangerous.
~ Ed Allen, president of the Oklahoma City American Federation of Teachers.

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School teachers
Should they be armed with big-ass rifles? Yes. They must protect our children from rampaging shooters. They should preferably be armed at all times, because when you’re around emotionally immature, irresponsible young people, you want to be able to shoot whatever marauder they’re all screaming about like he’s f***ing Justin Bieber, with murder.
~ Wonkette (this is snark, in case you're wondering)

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In our zealousness to protect people from harm we’ve created all these gun-free zones and what we’ve inadvertently done is we’ve made them a target. A helpless target is exactly what a deranged person is looking for where they cannot be stopped.
~ Florida Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala

Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of “gun control” advocates?
The key fallacy of so-called gun-control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.
~ Thomas Sowell on National Review

Children ages 5 to 14 in America are 13 times as likely to be murdered with guns as children in other industrialized countries....
. . . American schoolchildren are protected by building codes that govern stairways and windows. School buses must meet safety standards, and the bus drivers have to pass tests. Cafeteria food is regulated for safety. The only things we seem lax about are the things most likely to kill.
~ Nicholas Kristof on New York Times

It is not that the people are allowed to arm. It is that the government is disallowed to disarm them.
. . . Those upset with the order of things are welcome to try, and doomed to fail, to repeal the Second Amendment via the constitutional process. But the guns of America aren’t going anywhere any time soon, and generic calls to “do something” — even insofar as doing something is desirable — must reckon with this fact.
On Friday, the president promised “meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.” We doubt that something like this is possible, in a way consistent with the principle and the fact of the Second Amendment.
~ Editors of National Review

We have to do everything we can to make sure those types of evils are restricted the best they can be. One thing I hope I don’t see is knee-jerk reaction from Washington, where they come in and think they know the answers.
In the state of Texas, if you go through the process, have been trained, and you are a handgun-licensed individual, you should be able to carry a gun anywhere in the state.
~ Governor Rick Perry of Texas

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I mean millions of people have decided that God doesn’t exist, or he’s irrelevant to me and we have killed fifty-four million babies and the institution of marriage is right on the verge of a complete redefinition. Believe me, that is going to have consequences too.
And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us. I think that’s what’s going on.
~ Christian Radio Host James Dobson

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People carrying concealed pistols are not the ones shooting innocent victims. It is criminals who have no intention of following any law that are the perpetrators of these crimes. Strict gun-control laws do not stop criminals from committing evil acts, they merely infringe on the rights of law-abiding citizens who might be able to take action against evil if given the chance.
~ Ari Adler, spokesman for Michigan House Speaker, Jase Bolger

I haven't made a decision one way or another on it ... I need to see what it says. But the shooting gives you clear pause to say, 'Would this be appropriate?' That was a terrible thing to happen.
~ Michigan Governor, Rick Snyder, noncommittal about whether he will sign a law allowing concealed handguns in schools and day cares

UPDATE:Gov. Snyder of Michigan will VETO concealed guns bill:



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How the NRA Defeats National Tragedies
First it scares people into thinking the government is coming for their guns. Then it quietly asks the public to pray for the victims of the next rampage.
. . . The “appropriate time” never arrives. It’s an ingenious communications strategy, one that removes the NRA from stories about the latest national outrages. When the outrage fades, the NRA returns in full flush. Just a week before the Newtown, Conn., shootings, Arulanandam told a reporter that the NRA was “planning for the worst” and had “told people to plan for gun bans and a Supreme Court stacked with anti-gun judges.”
David Weigel on Slate

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Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Can We Talk About Guns?

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The Daily Show July 23, 2012
I'm just sayin' that if these terrible... not un-gun related stories create like sinus pressure in your head, and you would like to get yourself some Sudafed to ease that sinus pain, that's really hard to do to get Sudafed. To get that good Sudafed, you need ID, and there's a background check, and you gotta sign shit. 'Cause Sudafed, I think we can all agree, is some dangerous shit. But, so while we also talk about societal factors and moral factors, you know, we should also talk about how more and more powerful destructive weaponry....

7/22/2012:
JON SCOTT: Too early to be talking about more gun control laws?
MARK STEYN: Absolutely!


Look, ten years after 9/11, I can't still fly with a full container of fucking shampoo! So you're telling me it's too soon to even have a conversation about it?? 
You're telling me that to discuss the epidemic of gun violence in this country, for that, there is a waiting period. Yeah, I guess you'd hate to go into a conversation about gun all hotheaded, and say something impulsively you'll never be able to take back. Look, this is the time to talk about all of it. Everything should be on the table. Anything that could possibly help mitigate these terrible events. I'm not even saying gun control would do it. I'm just saying it's gotta be part of the conversation.

Is there anything we can talk about that shows this country's problem-solving mechanism is not irrevocably damaged?

Fox News Voice-Over: Should Batman costumes be banned from movie theaters?

I stand corrected. Problem solved.

Excerpt from a Long Tweet by actor Jason Alexander of Seinfeld (more at link)
I have been reading on and off as advocates for these weapons make their excuses all day long. Guns don't kill - people do. Well if that's correct, I go with @BrooklynAvi, let them kill with tomatoes. Let them bring baseball bats, knives, even machetes --- a mob can deal with that.

There is no excuse for the propagation of these weapons. They are not guaranteed or protected by our constitution. If they were, then we could all run out and purchase a tank, a grenade launcher, a bazooka, a SCUD missile and a nuclear warhead. We could stockpile napalm and chemical weapons and bomb-making materials in our cellars under our guise of being a militia.

These weapons are military weapons. They belong in accountable hands, controlled hands and trained hands. They should not be in the hands of private citizens to be used against police, neighborhood intruders or people who don't agree with you. These are the weapons that maniacs acquire to wreak murder and mayhem on innocents. They are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales.

SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM? WHY DO YOU NOT, AT LEAST, AGREE TO SIT WITH REASONABLE PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDES AND ASK HARD QUESTIONS AND LOOK AT HARD STATISTICS AND POSSIBLY MAKE SOME COMPROMISES FOR THE GREATER GOOD? SO THAT MOTHERS AND FATHERS AND CHILDREN ARE NOT SLAUGHTERED QUITE SO EASILY BY THESE MONSTERS? HOW CAN IT HURT TO STOP DEFENDING THESE THINGS AND AT LEAST CONSIDER HOW WE CAN ALL WORK TO TRY TO PREVENT ANOTHER DAY LIKE YESTERDAY?

We will not prevent every tragedy. We cannot stop every maniac. But we certainly have done ourselves no good by allowing these particular weapons to be acquired freely by just about anyone.

I'll say it plainly - if someone wants these weapons, they intend to use them. And if they are willing to force others to "pry it from my cold, dead hand", then they are probably planning on using them on people.

So, sorry those of you who tell me I'm an actor, or a has-been or an idiot or a commie or a liberal and that I should shut up. You can not watch my stuff, you can unfollow and you can call me all the names you like. I may even share some of them with my global audience so everyone can get a little taste of who you are.

But this is not the time for reasonable people, on both sides of this issue, to be silent. We owe it to the people whose lives were ended and ruined yesterday to insist on a real discussion and hopefully on some real action.



































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