Showing posts with label irony. Show all posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2016

Election Jokes of the Week March 27, 2016

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This little bird doesn't know it, but ... it is really a dove asking us for world peace.
~ Bernie Sanders in Portland, Oregon, when a small bird suddenly flew onto his podium and the crowd went wild





























There was a primary in Arizona and caucuses in Idaho and Utah. Donald Trump was behind in the polls in Utah — Utah is not particularly friendly territory for Donald Trump because most of the voters there are sober.
~ Jimmy Kimmel

Donald Trump continues to baffle and astound. A new study found that Donald Trump's speeches are at a fifth grade level. In other words, he's speaking two grades above his supporters right now.
~ Conan O'Brien

When he speaks, I understand him. He speaks like I speak, he communicates with people very well. I want him, as any one person can do, to go into Washington and blow it up.
~ Happy Days and Joni Loves Chachi actor Scott Baio on why he's supporting Trump

The Scott Baio endorsement of Trump makes sense. Happy Days is set in the 1950s, as are Trump's policies.
~ Frank Conniff



Jimmy Kimmel: Are you familiar with mansplaining?
Hillary Clinton: Oh, yeah, that's when a man explains something to a woman in a patronizing way?
Kimmel: Actually, it's when a man explains something to a woman in a condescending way - but you were close.
Hillary: OK!
Kimmel: Mansplaining is a way that men can help women be better....So just talk and I'll correct you whenever I feel the need.
Hillary: Thank you, it's wonderful to be here--
Kimmel: Hold on one second --
Hillary: Already?
Kimmel: You're shouting - you're too loud. You don't have to shout like that it hurts my ears. It comes off as a little shrill to men, that's all.
Hillary: Shrill. For men.
Kimmel: I mean, you're making a speech, not an arrest, so just tone it down and try it again.
Hillary: OK - I've got it. (softer) Thank you, it's wonderful to be here with all of you.
Kimmel: This is good so far!
Hillary: It doesn't matter who you are, what you look like, or who you love, I'm fighting for you--
Kimmel: You have to just speak up because we can't hear you now. You're like a mouse up there. And you know what would be nice - if you smiled, with a little bit, you know, some teeth.
Hillary: OK, all right (smiles) America is the greatest country on--
Kimmel: No, don't smile like that because it looks too forced. It looks like you're faking it. Ask yourself, do I want to be president, or do I want to be a Laker's girl?
Hillary: Is that a real choice?
Kimmel: Yeah, that's a choice. I think so. It's okay though, try it again. Go from wherever, and just be careful with the face.
Hillary: We don't need to be made great, we need to be--
Kimmel: Oh my god with the sourpuss. Try to have some fun! This is like your dream! Pretend you're enjoying yourself!
Hillary: You know, Jimmy, your comments are kind of contradictory.
Kimmel: Yeah.
Hillary: It's like nothing I do is right.
Kimmel: Exactly, you're not doing it right. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something -- you're not, you're not a, um--
Hillary: A man?
Kimmel: Yes! That is it - you're not a man! But that was really cute the way you did it, though.
Hillary: Well, thanks, that is what I was going for.






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Thursday, April 10, 2014

The Joke's on #CancelColbert Movement as Comedian Gets Late Night Show on CBS

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CBS announced today that Stephen Colbert is going to take over the show Late Night when David Letterman retires next year. This is great news for comedy fans, but bad news for other late-night comedians who lost out including Craig Ferguson, Jimmy Kimmel, and Chelsea Handler (if you think she's funny, that is). Still, Colbert is what CBS needs to beat Jimmy Fallon of NBC's Tonight Show in the ratings war, and David Letterman had mentioned Colbert last week as a possible successor.

But for Twitter users, what's so satisfying about Colbert going on to a more high-profile job with an even bigger audience is that just a week or so ago a misunderstood joke about a minority group led to a controversial hashtag #CancelColbert. The hashtag caused a twitterstorm for days, and has even been immortalized at Know Your Meme and pages on Storify Here and Here and those are just two of many. (My blog was like Storify before it was cool, LOL)

More background on that below - scroll down.

Today when CBS announced that Colbert would take over Late Night, much Schadenfreude was had by tweeps poking fun at the fact that the hashtag did indeed work - his show on Comedy Central will be cancelled, but not because they tweeted, only because he is getting a plum-job. Oh, and Colbert was never a bigot in the first place but only playing one on TV.

First the announcement about Late Night:

From CBS News
CBS President and CEO Les Moonves said after seriously considering about a dozen candidates, it became obvious that Colbert was the best choice.
“We said, ‘my God, there’s one guy who just stands out to replace David who is original, who’s smart, who’s funny, who fits with who we are, and it was Stephen Colbert,’” Moonves told CBS Radio national correspondent Dan Raviv.
Colbert said he never dreamed he would follow in Letterman’s footsteps.
“I’m thrilled and grateful that CBS chose me,” he said in a statement. “Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to grind a gap in my front teeth.”

From David Letterman:
Letterman released this statement: “Stephen has always been a real friend to me. I’m very excited for him, and I’m flattered that CBS chose him. I also happen to know they wanted another guy with glasses.”

What some people have apparently missed over the years is that Colbert isn't himself on Comedy Central, but playing a parody of a Conservative Pundit straight off of Fox News. Chris Hayes referred to it on MSNBC as Colbert's "O'Reilly Act" referring to conservative Bill O'Reilly of Fox. That's why he has sometimes confused the lesser-light Republicans who have been on his show as he seemed to agree with them even while mocking the GOP. But this isn't rocket science, and most people who have a sense of humor got the joke to begin with, even on the Right.

The Colbert Persona, described by New York Times in 2012 when Colbert was making a fake run in the Republican Primary (yes, that was part of the schtick):
The Colbert character, whose taped descent, godlike, from the empyrean while clutching an American flag begins every show, was originally intended as a takeoff on Fox News figures like Sean Hannity and especially Bill O’Reilly. Though Colbert doesn’t much resemble O’Reilly physically, the persona has mastered some of O’Reilly’s pen-wielding, hand-stabbing gestures, and his credentials as a right-wing blowhard are beyond doubt. He thinks that gays will go to hell, that a flaming moat should be built around America to keep out immigrants and that Christianity is, or ought to be, the official national religion. He believes not in truth but in “truthiness,” a term of his own invention.
. . . The Colbert on-screen persona is actually less rigid than it used to be, and Colbert can dial it up or down as he chooses. There is now more of a winking quality to the act, a sense that we’re all in on the joke.

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Okay, so that last part has been lost on some self-absorbed people, including Anti-Bigot Suey Park, an Asian-American woman living in Chicago.

Here's that part of the saga, which started as Colbert made a joke about Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder. To make his point, Colbert made a joke about Asian-Americans, using one of the trigger words "Oriental" which can drive many Asian activists right out of their minds (and it worked!)

From Dave Weigel on Slate:
Stephen Colbert made sport of Washington football team owner Dan Snyder and his plan to undercut criticism of the team name by founding an organization for the uplift of "original Americans." Colbert ran though all the reasons why this was funny, then called back to a skit from one of the show's first episodes, way back from the fall of 2005—a joke about the host being caught on a "live feed" playing a racist Asian stereotype (Ching Chong Ding Dong, from Guanduong), then not understanding why it was racist. Colbert would make amends with his new "Ching Chong Ding Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever."
. . . the official Twitter account of The Colbert Report tweeted a short version of the joke: "I am willing to show #Asian community I care by introducing the Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever." Bad move. This attracted the ire of a 23-year-old freelance writer and hashtag activist named Suey Park, who gained prominence last year with the #NotYourAsianSidekick micromovement.

As he says, Suey Park is a "hashtag activist" so she invented one, and sent the Twitterverse into a frenzy:



About half of Twitter got behind Suey Park, cheering her on as a hero taking on a bully, and confused people from both the Right and the Left jumped on the Angry Asian train with vitriol directed at Colbert. The Conservatives and Libertarians who use hashtag #tcot jumped on the bandwagon because they hate his biting satire towards the GOP - they get the joke! They twisted Park's hashtag to attack the Left, thanks to Suey Park's overreaction.









Suey Park was so naive she allied herself with Queen of Hate Michelle Malkin, also Asian-American but a rabid Fox News contributor who hates every other group on the planet. Malkin was more than happy to help Park lead the charge against Colbert.





Some people missed the point of both the Hashtag and the Uproar:



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Meanwhile, the rest of Twitter
mocked the nonsense of it all:











Bob Cesca of The Daily Banter summed up what happened in "When Hashtag Activism Totally Lost Its Narrative" :
In a recent interview, Colbert stated quite clearly that his role isn’t to prescribe solutions to problems, but instead to mock through exaggeration and caricaturization the people who are responsible for the problems. It’s difficult to think of another performer working in television today who’s been more effective at this task.
Now, sure, I concede that the name “Ching-Chong Ding-Dong” is in and of itself offensive. But here’s the thing: it was supposed to be. It was supposed to be shocking in order to underscore how shocking it is, in Colbert’s view (the man’s, not the character’s), that “Redskins” is seriously the name of a professional football team in 2014. In other words, it was a spot-on comment about the shocking offensiveness of the word “redskins.” If his satirical charity wasn’t at all offensive, how could it ever adequately comment upon the offensiveness of “Redskins?”

Suey Park tried to explain that she sees Colbert as "The White Oppressor":

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An interview the next day with Salon:
A lot of white America and so-called liberal people of color, along with conservatives, ask, “Do I understand context?” And that’s part of wanting to completely humanize the oppressor.
To see the white man as always reasonable, always pure, always deliberate, always complex and always innocent. And to see the woman of color as literal. Both my intent behind the hashtag and in my [unintelligible] distance, is always about forcing an apology on me for not understanding their context when, in reality, they misunderstood us when they made us a punch line again. So it’s always this logic of how can we understand whiteness better, and that’s never been my politics. I’ve always been about occupying the margins and strengthening the margins and what that means is that, for a long time, whiteness has also occupied the margins. Like, people of color get in circles with no white people in the room and we see that whiteness still operates. So I think it’s kind of a shock for America that whiteness has dominant society already, it also seeps into the margins. What happens the one time when the margins seep into the whiteness and we encroach on their space? It’s like the sky is falling.
. . . anything I say as a joke or in all seriousness gets dismissed. I must apologize, I must X, Y, Z. I will get rape and death threats for not thinking Colbert is funny, or for trying to crack my own jokes about race. And I think that’s unfair, cause in the same way he thinks Orientalism is backward and old, but he still uses it to make a point. For every time he does that, it should be more than justifiable for me to actually target the system of structural advantage that is whiteness and to be able to make jokes about white supremacists, which I do all the time in my work. I always paint my white characters to be singular, to be ignorant...
. . . Colbert did when he chose to ruin an opportunity to make a point about racism in America by using more racism. So he’s the one that destroyed an opportunity to shed light on Dan Snyder and the Redskins the moment that he chose to use Orientalism and a foreign accent to make his point. And so, I think in that sense, it’s Colbert that lacks context. It’s Colbert that doesn’t realize how he’s using racism as a vehicle to end racism, which is really just circular logic and doesn’t lead to an end destination of liberation, so I think if you are going to do it, you can’t draw parallels. Orientalism and genocide are actually not relative or comparable in social location.



Suey Park also did an interview on HuffPost Live, and that turned out badly too, via WaPo:
Fireworks entered the picture when Park found problems with how Zepps was framing the issue of satire and racism: “I feel like it’s incredibly patronizing for you to paint these questions this way, especially as a white man. I don’t expect you to be able to understand what people of color are actually seeing with regard to #CancelColbert. He has a history of making jokes…”

Interrupting a touch, Zepps responded that being a white man doesn’t keep him from “being able to think.”
This wasn’t headed in a good direction. “Well, white men definitely feel like they’re entitled to talk over me,” said Park. “They definitely feel like they’re entitled to kind of minimalize my experiences…”

Zepps: “No one’s minimalizing your experiences, no one’s minimalizing your right to have an opinion,” he said, before amping up the scorn: “It’s just a stupid opinion.”
Park: “You just called my opinion stupid, you just called my opinion stupid. That’s incredibly unproductive. And I don’t think I’m going to enact the labor of explaining to you why it’s incredibly offensive and patronizing.”











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Now, here's the "Revenge is Sweet" part of the saga that happened today as Colbert was being named the heir apparent to Letterman, and people rushed to point out the irony to Suey Park and other #CancelColbert aficionados in case they didn't get the joke again, LOL:













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Friday, December 13, 2013

Fox's Megyn Kelly Tells Kids Jesus was White, just like Santa

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Yet another person saying it's racist for Santa to be white....
For all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white....Santa is what he is.... I wanted to get that straight.
. . . Just because [an image] makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change. I mean, Jesus was a white man too. He was a historical figure — that's a verifiable fact. As is Santa. I just want the kids watching to know that.
~ Fox Host Megyn Kelly



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Who are you even talking to? Children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10 o’clock at night, yet innocent enough to still believe Santa Claus is real, yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn’t white?
. . . Who exactly is changing the facts to make themselves more comfortable here? Actual Saint Nicholas — well, my guess is there’d be no Christmas if he looked [darker], because he’s probably still on the no-fly list.
. . . You do know Jesus wasn’t born in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, right?
~ Jon Stewart on Comedy Central

Jesus's whiteness is a verifiable fact. I mean, just look at any photo of Jesus. He was just your average Aramaic-speaking First Century Middle Eastern White Guy.
~ Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central

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Friday, September 6, 2013

Irony Takes a Holiday When Rumsfeld Slams Obama on Syria

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I think that the fact that American people are confused and the fact that the Congress seems uncertain and the international community is not supportive is a reflection of the fact that the so-called commander-in-chief has not been acting as a commander-in-chief. He has not provided leadership.
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Sunday, April 28, 2013

The Bush Library and Museum in Dallas

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There was a time in my life when I wasn't likely to be found in a library, much less found one.
~ President George W. Bush at the opening of his Library and Museum in Dallas, Texas

. . . the latest, grandest example of the eternal struggle of former presidents to rewrite history.
~ President Bill Clinton at the Library Opening

We've had enough Bushes.
~ George W. Bush's mother, Barbara Bush, on whether her son Jeb should run for President

Disasterpiece Theater . . . the Hard Rock Cafe of catastrophic policy decisions.
~ Jon Stewart on Comedy Central

What a bu!!sh*t rewriting of history. . . . They’re presidents. They’re not King Tut. Why do we have to build a mausoleum?
~ Bill Maher

The Bush Presidential Library is beautiful, and they have a huge section devoted to weapons of mass destruction, but nobody can find it.
~ David Letterman

In President Bush's high school yearbook, he was voted least likely to have a library named after him.
~ Jay Leno

Omission Accomplished
. . . “It looks like a theme park as much as it is a library,” according to Lou Dubose, co-author of “Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush’s America.” Dubose points out the library also includes freedom tower, a freedom plaza, a decision points library, the bullhorn Bush used to talk to first responders from ground zero, and even Saddam Hussein’s pistol.
“It’s kind of a parentheses around one of the greatest foreign policy blunders in our country’s history and they’re pretty shameless about it.”
. . . Dubose describes the “triumphalist narrative” on display at the library as “a neo-con rehash of all the terms that were used to lead the country into war.”
“One would expect a little bit of a modesty from a president who has presided over that sort of failure,” he said. “And from a president who’s competing in the bottom ten in terms of presidential rankings that are done by legitimate historians.”
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Friday, January 18, 2013

Plantation Nation ~ The GOP Retreat to Discuss Minorities and Women at Williamsburg

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Luke Russert on NBC News
Friday’s panel, according to the published names, indicate it will include two Latino women, three white men and a Latino moderator. Yet the panel is not without an issue in optics; the room where the discussion will take place is called the “Burwell Plantation” room at the Kingsmill Resort.

In fact, the room is named after the Burwell Family, a wealthy family that owned many slaves in 18th century Southern Virginia. Records pertaining to the families owning of slaves is well-documented by the city of Williamsburg on their website.

Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., who heads Republicans’ campaign efforts, deflected a question regarding the irony of a panel trying to help the GOP woo minorities happening in a room named after a slave-owning family’s plantation.

“I don’t pick the rooms we meet in,” Walden said. “I know the Democrats have held their retreats here too and I assume you’ll go and figure out if they ever held meetings in that same room.”


The Burwells were among the “First Families” in the Colony of Virginia. They also happened to own several plantations — and slaves.
So naturally the GOP would host lawmakers eager to learn about “successful communication with minorities and women” in a room named for those plantations.
~ Kate McDonough on Salon

. . . what better place to talk about making inroads with oppressed groups than in a room named after a famous Williamsburg plantation, located in the tony Kingsmill Resort, which itself is on the site of another plantation? The GOP has heard your complaints, blacks and Latinos and women, and they're going to try to suss it out while sitting atop dead slave bones.
~ Gawker







I just can't see why the GOP isn't polling better.
~ Oblios_Cap on Wonkette

What, no back massages at Ye Olde Whypping Post?
~ EatsBabyDingos on Wonkette

Later the Republicans are going to demonstrate their burning desire for tolerance by lighting a giant lower-case t on fire.
~ SexySmurf on Wonkette

Sometimes it's really hard to make satire about the GOP. They beat you to all the punch-lines.
~ Comrade Snowball on Wonkette

When Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindel says that Republicans are the “stupid party,” this is exactly what he was talking about.
~ The Newsburner

Still, it is the South, so you can’t really throw a rock without hitting some site with a racist past, and what are Republicans supposed to do, find a resort in the Northeast, Northwest, Midwest, or Abortiofornia? Besides, it’s not like the place currently honors the site’s slave past, right?
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On Kingsmill Resort:
Lots of pictures of white people golfing, playing tennis, spa-ing it up, eating, biking, jet skiing, at the marina, in the pool, on the dock. One black family having summer family fun on the dock. One black person on personal scooter. One black person serving white people. The photos I viewed showed predominantly white people enjoying the “resort”. (Please don’t send me angry emails about the one black person you know who loves Kingsmill.)
Think I’m imagining race where it’s not? You haven’t visited the many “Plantation” style resorts in the South. I have.
I have been subjected to the “glorification” of black people fanning whites on porches as “the good old days”. I’ve seen the flight of Northern whites to Southern “Plantation style” neighborhoods. I’ve seen the ads that show modern day black people waiting on white people, morphing into black and white photos from the good old days of slavery. This is called “nostalgia”.
~ Sarah Jones on PoliticusUSA


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Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Republican Sick of "Sob Stories" about the Poor

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I see a reporter here. I just pray that you start writing about these issues. I just pray. Stop always writing about, 'Oh, the person couldn't get, you know, their food stamps or this or that.' You know, I saw something the other day -- it's like, another sob story, and I'm like, 'But what about what's happening to the country and the country as a whole?' That's going to devastate everybody.
~ Eric Hovde, who is running for the Senate in Wisconsin Primary on August 14th

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What is the Prayer that Eric Hovde Prays to end these "sob stories"?...
Dear Jesus, I know all of that talk about the poor in the New Testament was all just parables and code words. I know that the richest people on earth are the one who you love the most. Please make those annoying reporters stop wasting time on stories about the poor in this country. They live in America where a guy who lives in Washington DC can run for Senate in Wisconsin, so if i can overcome those odds, than those poor lazy people can go eat at McDonalds and stop bothering me.
~ Chris Liebenthal on Cognitive Dissonance

He should be a poster child for Man's inhumanity to Man.
~ comment by John Garvin on ThinkProgress

Instead, he wants more stories about struggling billionaires trying to hide their money off-shore, (oh, the horror!)
~ comment by Mary Aseltyne

So there you have it, this Republican only represents the rich . Its there in his own words. The 99% should vote against him, lets see if he can get elected with just 1% of the vote
~ comment by Blue Koi on Huff Post

Let them eat cake.
~ comment by NHBill

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I'll be glad when the 1% stop whining about being picked on. They all sound like Cartman on South Park.
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well aint he a beaut....
~ comment by moose and squirrel

Because corporations are people, and money is speech, and people are fodder. Is this the GOP Stepford Party or is there something in the water? Lockstep toward the edge of the cliff..you first Mr. Hovde
~ comment by HolyCowBatman

Sorry but this guy is Damien from that Omen movie...
~ comment by DonMadrid1500

Perhaps this spectacular idiot might to remembering the phrase " government by the people for the people" . He seems to think that "government by business for business at the expense of the people" is a smart thing but anyone with even a half a brain cell, an ounce of morality and a mere soupçon of history knows where that path takes us..
These lunatics are dangerous not only to the country and democracy but to the world.
~ comment by StebbyTubby

These GOPers follow Christianity w/o Jesus
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Monday, April 30, 2012

Irony Lost on Dan Savage as He Bullies Christians (Now with Nearly Non-Apology Apology and More Comments)



The Bible. We’ll just talk about the Bible for a second. People often point out that they can’t help it — they can’t help with the anti-gay bullying, because it says right there in Leviticus, it says right there in Timothy, it says right there in Romans, that being gay is wrong.

We can learn to ignore the bull**** in the Bible about gay people. The same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the bull**** in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation. We ignore bull**** in the Bible about all sorts of things. The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it. The shortest book in the New Testament is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner about owning his Christian slave. And Paul doesn’t say “Christians don’t own people.” Paul talks about how Christians own people.

We ignore what the Bible says about slavery, because the Bible got slavery wrong. Tim — uh, Sam Harris, in A Letter To A Christian Nation, points out that the Bible got the easiest moral question that humanity has ever faced wrong. Slavery. What’re the odds that the Bible got something as complicated as human sexuality wrong? One hundred percent.

The Bible says that if your daughter’s not a virgin on her wedding night — if a woman isn’t a virgin on her wedding night, she shall be dragged to her father’s doorstep and stoned to death. Callista Gingrich lives. And there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they’re not virgins. At least not yet. We don’t know where the GOP is going these days.

People are dying because people can’t clear this one last hurdle. They can’t get past this one last thing in the Bible about homosexuality.

Um, one other thing I wanna talk about is — [chuckles] — so, you can tell the Bible guys in the hall that they can come back now, because I’m done beating up the Bible. It’s funny, as someone who’s on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-a**ed some people react when you push back.

I apologize if I hurt anyone’s feelings. But. I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other.
~ Gay Activist Dan Savage, founder of "It Gets Better," speaking to a group of journalism students in Seattle. After the Bible slam, a group of Christian teenagers walked out, so he insulted them further. Quote from Care2.com.

He had the bully pulpit, if you would say so, so to speak. And, basically, this is their way to say, you know what? I’m going to take a stand. And, frankly, it took a lot of guts and these students that you see there that are walking out, I mean, it occurs to me as I see this video, is this is what we teach kids to do when they’re being bullied to walk away. That’s what they did.
~ Rick Tuttle, teacher who gave his journalism students permission to walk out on Dan Savage, quoted Here

The man is just trying for a job with MSNBC.
~ comment by Russell on The Christian Post

...We want to make our point very clear: While as a journalist it’s important to be able to listen to speech that offends you, these students and advisers had simply reached their tolerance level for what they were willing to hear.
~ National Scholastic Press Association which sponsored the conference where Savage was speaking, quoted Here













Apology from Dan Savage in The Stranger:
I would like to apologize for describing that walk out as a pansy-a**ed move. I wasn't calling the handful of students who left pansies (2800+ students, most of them Christian, stayed and listened), just the walk-out itself. But that's a distinction without a difference—kinda like when religious conservatives tells their gay friends that they "love the sinner, hate the sin." They're often shocked when their gay friends get upset because, hey, they were making a distinction between the person (lovable!) and the person's actions (not so much!). But gay people feel insulted by "love the sinner, hate the sin" because it is insulting. Likewise, my use of "pansy-a**ed" was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong. And I apologize for saying it.

As for what I said about the Bible...

A smart Christian friend involved politics writes: "In America today you just can't refer, even tangentially, to someone's religion as 'bull****.' You should apologize for using that word."

I didn't call anyone's religion bull****. I did say that there is bull****—"untrue words or ideas"—in the Bible. That is being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bull****… which is untrue. I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised. I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against—and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying "motivated by faith")—because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong. Yet the same people who make that claim choose to ignore what the Bible has to say about a great deal else. I did not attack Christianity. I attacked hypocrisy. My remarks can only be read as an attack on all Christians if you believe that all Christians are hypocrites. Which I don't believe.
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If the students had been disruptive & heckling him, I can see that. But no, they were there for a student conference, the key note topic was how to cover bullying in their school papers, not debating over whether the Bible is "bull ****" or not. He wasn't being persecuted at all. In fact, since he had the stage, I'd say he was the one in control (not to mention, the adult in the room). The kids simply did the only thing they could do, vote with their feet.
~ comment by WolverineDG on Democratic Underground.

Not news: Dan Savage talks vulgar and bullies student audience.
News: Dan Savage was paid to teach against bullying.
Addressing a national conference of high-school journalists, Savage was calling the Bible bull**** repeatedly. Students started to leave. So he called them pansyasses. When the adult presenter calls 17-year-old students names isn't that bullying?
~ Ron Hebron on Sound Politics

Mr. Savage: 1) Pick on someone your own age. To rant like you did to HS kids is not acceptable. 2) It's unfortanate that people of many beliefs, Christian, Muslim, Druids, whatever, don't act in accordance to the teachings of the belief. It's the individuals issue not the belief systems. 3) You don't have sufficeint knowledge to cooment on the bible. Get some education, learn from someone who understands that teachings, not what they want to believe or have the bible say Hope things work out for you.
~ comment from Wayne Gebhardt, Eastern Washington University, from Seattle Post Intelligencer

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