Saturday, December 1, 2012

Peggy Noonan Blames Obama for Drama-Rama Over Taxes

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Republican Pundit Peggy Noonan on Wall Street Journal Nov. 30, 2012
You watch and wonder: Why does it always have to be cliffs with this president? Why is it always a high-stakes battle? Why doesn't he shrewdly re-enact Ronald Reagan, meeting, arguing and negotiating in good faith with Speaker Tip O'Neill, who respected very little of what the president stood for and yet, at the end of the day and with the country in mind, could shake hands and get it done? Why is there never a sense with Mr. Obama that he understands the other guys' real position?

It's not as if Mr. Boehner and the Republicans wouldn't deal. They've been weakened and they know it.

. . . No one would know this better than Mr. Boehner, who has risen to where he is in part because he's good at seeing the lay of the land and admitting what's there.

The president would only benefit from showing he has the command and capability to meet, argue, press and come to agreement. It would be heartening to the country to see this, and would impress the world. And the Republicans would like to get it done.

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WSJ's Noonan: Crisis Is the Obama Way
~ Headline on Newsmax

Listen Peggy, elections have consequences. One of those consequences is that the losing side does not get to make demands like they won. You lost, Peggy. Badly. And unlike Bush’s 2004 Social Security bait and switch (which failed miserably), Obama is doing exactly what he campaigned on. You’ll take whatever you’re damn well given and like it!
Just as an aside: Notice that Peggy says Obama “wanted to raise taxes on those he calls the rich” as if people making over $250,000 are not rich? And this is not a tax raise on that first $250k anyway, it’s everything AFTER $250k. The median household income for 2012 was $50,054. If you’re making FIVE TIMES as much and still complaining you’re not rich? F**k. You.
~ Justin Rosario on Addicting Info



Tighten the squeeze on that couple, and they'll change how they live. They'll stop sending the struggling son to a neighborhood tutor, they'll stop going out to dinner once a week, they'll cut off the baby sitter, fire the guy who once a month does yard work, and hold back on new clothes.
~ Peggy Noonan





Of course, Peggy Noonan doesn't really want to know why everything always seems like a crisis. She just wants to create a rhetorical framework to make Republican behavior seem reasonable. The problem for her is that reality keeps on getting in the way.
~ Jed Lewison on Daily Kos

Peggy Noonan - Professional Concern Troll
~ comment by Beelzebud on Daily Kos

Just tell Peggy that the vibrations aren't right for Obama to negotiate against himself. She ought to understand that.
~ comment by litigatormom on Daily Kos referring to this column Noonan wrote the day before Election 2012 predicting a landslide for Romney because "all the vibrations are right."

MY GOD, it's official: they have sunk deeper and deeper and deeper into their DENIAL.
They have learned nothing from 6 November 2012.
They - can't HELP themselves now. They cannot come back to reality (assuming they ever were there, and with Noonan that is a BIG if).
Stunning.
~ comment by CoExistNow on Daily Kos

ooo ooo! pick me! pick me! i know the answer! because Tip O'Neill was:
• an honest man of integrity willing to put country first (ahead of partisan purity),
• a patriotic man who cared about what was best for the US as a whole,
and
• a smart man who understood that compromise is a necessary part of the political process;
and
• those three phrases do not describe Boehner (or McConnell)!
I know I'm right! What do I win???
~ comment by TrueBlueMajority on Daily Kos

Santelli Throws Another Tea Party Tantrum over Taxes

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Business Insider
If you put CNBC's Rick Santelli and the network's senior economics reporter Steve Liesman together on the same segment you know something entertaining is going to happen. Or at least we'll get a Santelli rant.

This morning on "Squawk Box," Santelli, who reports from the CBOT floor, went totally nuts on Liesman waving his papers around saying, "I can't even talk about it anymore" and then walked off the set. The pair were arguing over two op-eds in the Wall Street Journal pertaining to the fiscal cliff and GDP.

"He's gone," host Joe Kernan quipped.




Huffington Post

"It's reprehensible that people go to Charlotte [for the Democratic National Convention] and say 'fairness' and then they run to try to beat the taxman," he hollered at fellow CNBC reporter Steve Liesman. "Shame on them! I can't even talk about it anymore."

And then he was gone.

The rant was apparently in response to a Wall Street Journal op-ed outlining Costco's recent issuing of a special dividend to avoid an expected tax hike due to the fiscal cliff. Liesman countered that a different WSJ op-ed failed to show President George W. Bush's less than stellar record for economic growth.

Surprise, surprise, Santelli didn't like that either.
"Don't give me the switcheroo!" he screamed.

Call Rick Santelli a Wahmbulance
~ Headline on AmericaBlog

Personally, I'm a little uneasy about financial advice from a screaming guy on TV who's about to wet his pants.
~ comment by benb on AmericaBlog

Wow, what a complete d*ckweed. Four bloody percent increase in the marginal rate for the highest income earners -- what they were paying in the already unfair '90s -- and it's the end of the f*cking world for them.
Oh those poor, poor (RICH) plutocratic bastards, I have no sympathy for them.
~ comment by BeccaM on AmericaBlog

Oooh he's an angry elf!
~ comment by Ashton Cruz on Huff Post

A one trick phony.
~ comment by deanimal on Huff Post

Four years ago, Santelli ran off at the mouth on national television, and gave birth to the Tea Party. Is today's rant the kick off to the Secessionist Party?
~ comment by Avalanche3600 on Huff Post

Leave it to LIESman to pull the blame Bush card. I don’t blame Rick for walking off, it’s amazing how he stays sane on CNBC with all those A$$KISSING 0bamaroids!
For business “journalists” they just don’t understand that in a worst case scenario wealthy people will shut their businesses down, retire and cash out their investments THEN WHAT? What will the Emperor and all his commie followers do when there are NO MORE rich people to attack and tax?
~ Saving the Republic Blog

I know nothing about this guy—but anyone who loses it on-air and storms off the set out of frustration is OK by me! BTW—all the people who are sitting there trying to have a serious technical discussion about this issue need to turn around and take a peek at the itty-bitty elephant in the room———which is that Obama is actively trying to DESTROY the USA. They don't get it, because they're so lost in their elitist echo-chamber…
What contemptible people these folks are… Kudos to this Santelli guy… He should walk off the set every day.
~ comment by Vaptorious on Breitbart

In the context of the old Christian Coalition, in a limited sense the precursor to the Tea Party, Ron Reagan, Jr. said "For them, everything is not enough." Indeed. The whining seems to be the goal, the victimization, the pity party.
~ comment by The Real Royal Emperor on Mediaite

Santelli has gone Full Metal Teabag. Lock him up and throw away the key.
~ comment by Donald Dump on Mediaite

Santelli is unhinged.....he's a clown posing as a financial guru. Just like Jackie Welch. CNBC should try and recover any dignity they had by firing him and Bartiromo. They've become shameless shills for the ultra-rich wing of the Republican party.
~ comment by eanadu on Business Insider

I remember when CNBC had a focus on business and the economy. At this point it more like a cheer leading squad for the ultra rich. There are a few who are good like Liesman who tried to have conversations about economics and facts.
Santelli on the other hand is doing more of a bizarre art project. He looked very childish today. Funny thing is even Cramer has good points from time to time. Santelli on the other hand just rants.
~ comment by John1066 on Business Insider



Santelli's Original Tea Party Rant in 2009
Becky Quick, in studio: .... Rick have you been listening (to the previous conversation)?

Rick Santelli, on trading floor: Listening to it? I've been just glued to it because Mr. Ross has nailed it. You know, the government is promoting bad behavior, because we certainly don't want to put stimulus forth, and give people a whopping eight or ten dollars in their check, and think that they ought to save it.

And in terms of modifications, I'll tell you what, I have an idea. You know the new administration's big on computers and technology. How about this, (Mr.) President and new administration -- Why don't you put up a web site to have people vote on the Internet as a referendum to see if we really want to subsidize the losers' mortgages, or would we like to, at least, buy cars and buy houses in foreclosure and give them to people who might have a chance to actually prosper down the road, and reward people that could carry the water, instead of drink(ing) the water.

Trader sitting near by: What a novel idea! What? Who thought of that!

(traders in the pit start clapping and cheering)

Joe Kernen, in studio: Rick, they're like putty in your hands. Did you hear --

Santelli: No they're not, Joe. They're not like putty in our hands! This is America! (turns around to address pit traders) How many of you people want to pay for your neighbors' mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can't pay their bills? Raise their hand. (traders boo; Santelli turns around to face CNBC camera) President Obama, are you listening?

Trader (sitting nearby, goes over to Santelli's mike): How about we all stop paying our mortgage? It's a moral hazard.

KERNEN: It's like mob rule here. I'm getting scared. I'm glad I'm...

CARL QUINTANILLA: Get some bricks and bats...

SANTELLI: Don't get scared, Joe. They're already scaring you. You know, Cuba used to have mansions and a relatively decent economy. They moved from the individual to the collective. Now, they're driving '54 Chevys, maybe the last great car to come out of Detroit.

KERNEN: They're driving them on water, too, which is a little strange to watch.

SANTELLI: There you go.

KERNEN: Hey Rick, how about the notion that, Wilbur pointed out, you can go down to 2% on the mortgage...

SANTELLI: You could go down to -2%. They can't afford the house.

KERNEN: ...and still have 40%, and still have 40% not be able to do it. So why are they in the house? Why are we trying to keep them in the house?

SANTELLI: I know Mr. Summers is a great economist, but boy, I'd love the answer to that one.

REBECCA QUICK: Wow. Wilbur, you get people fired up.

SANTELLI: We're thinking of having a Chicago Tea Party in July. All you capitalists that want to show up to Lake Michigan, I'm gonna start organizing.

(Whistling, cheering)

QUICK: What are you dumping in, what are you dumping in this time? Housing...?

SANTELLI: We're going to be dumping in some derivative securities. What do you think about that?

QUINTANILLA: Mayor Daley is marshalling the police right now.

KERNEN: Rabble-rouser.

QUINTANILLA: The National Guard.


After Jason Roney of Sharmac Capital makes some comments, it's back to Santelli.

QUINTANILLA: You know, Rick, one of our producers says if Roland Burris steps down, man, "Senator Santelli," the junior senator from Illinois. It's a possibility. I'm just saying...

SANTELLI: Do you think I want to take a shower every hour? The last place I'm ever gonna live or work is D.C.

KERNEN: Have you raised any money for Blago?

SANTELLI: No, but I think that somebody's gonna have to start raising money for us.

QUICK: Hey, Rick? Can you do that one more time, just get the mob behind you again?

QUINATILLA: Have the camera pull way out.

QUICK: Yeah, pull way out. Everybody listen to Rick Santelli.

KERNEN: He can't... I don't think... You can't just do it at will, can you Rick? I mean, you have to say something.

QUICK: No, do it at will. Let's see.

SANTELLI: Listen, all's I know is, is that there's only about 5% of the floor population here right now, and I talk loud enough they can all hear me. So if you want to ask 'em anything, let me know. These guys are pretty straight forward, and my guess is, a pretty good statistical cross-section of America, the silent majority.

QUICK: Not so silent majority today. So Rick, are they opposed to the housing thing, to the stimulus package, to everything out there?

SANTELLI: You know, they're pretty much of the notion that you can't buy your way into prosperity, and if the multiplier that all of these Washington economists are selling us is over one... that we never have to worry about the economy again. The government should spend a trillion dollars an hour because we'll get 1.5 trillion back.

WILBUR ROSS: Rick, I congratulate you on your new incarnation as a revolutionary leader.

SANTELLI: Somebody needs one. I'll tell you what, if you read our founding fathers, people like Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson,... What we're doing in this country now is making them roll over in their graves.